2005 | 2006 | ||||||
Price: | 1.68 | EPS | |||||
Shares Out. (in M): | 0 | P/E | |||||
Market Cap (in $M): | 22 | P/FCF | |||||
Net Debt (in $M): | 0 | EBIT | 0 | 0 | |||
TEV (in $M): | 0 | TEV/EBIT |
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I haven't read the latest call but they are having a tough time getting advertising space at the prices they want to pay. As far as the moat questions or not having a sustainable advantage, I would just point out that PETS has trailing revenue of 235m. I think it is a mistake to underestimate the legitmacy you get from advertising on TV and the internet (so no-name sites that people don't know about aren't going to be good enough for Fido), and PETs has clearly capitalized on that. However, if you can't advertise, how do you build that up with new customers? Yet, everyone always knew that the business would top out somewhere and this might be it, but you could say that with more conviction if they were advertising heavily which they aren't.
As far as the rest, I think this guy does a great job on why PETS has a high short interest, makes people uneasy, and discusses some pricing issues:
I don't own it right now if that matters, but think it gets a whole lot more interesting if it will ever come down again to single digits. | |
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I don't worry too much about the ratings and often observe that the shortness of an idea will often lead to a poorer rating. Plus, my ideas and many others can be simplistic which tends to be an unpopular concept. On your questions: 1 - revenue growth. They sold more. They advertised heavily. Betty was a success. There are few other pet internet retailers advertising on cable. As far as whether it will continue, I think that forecasting PET's top line is not really possible. You listen to management's words and hope they are right. I do think we are reaching the peak of upper end of double digit growth rates unless the company somehow expands its customer lists. 2 - 18m on current market cap. Adjusted market cap, using whatever measure you want, is significantly lower. So 6.7% is not a true reflection of the free cash flow yield. 3 - that is up to the assembled to decide. I think that a company that transfers earnings into cash on the balance sheet is a pretty good deal. Again, assume flat EPS growth - 3 years from now the cap is 268m and there is 100m on the balance sheet. So then you'd have a company with 268m market cap, 100m in cash, generating 18m in cash. If that's not cheap, I don't know what is, esp. since PETS has demonstrated discipline in spending and option issuances. Now imagine that cash flow grows - say - just 5%. | |
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Paul, Since you have the distinction of being the longest tenured VIC poster, let me offer some thoughts on ratings. Ratings are not a reflection of you personally and they are just a number that someone else has placed on your idea. You also have to have thick skin to post on any internet board. I like that you kept your write-up brief, but you could have fleshed out some key points. Let me ask some questions: 1. What caused revenue to grow from $32 million to $162 million in six years? Do you think it will continue? 2. Free cash flow (FCF) is $18 million ($19 million cash flow minus $1 million cap ex). That is a 6.7% yield on the current market cap. Why do you think that is compelling? Can they grow that number and by how much? 3. You say that the company is way too cheap. Help show me why. What do you think the stock is worth? David | |
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I gave it a 6. It seems obvious that, so far at least, this idea is getting a 4 from the assembled which is in keeping with almost every other rating I've ever gotten. more things change... |
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