2013 | 2014 | ||||||
Price: | 24.00 | EPS | $0.00 | $0.00 | |||
Shares Out. (in M): | 239 | P/E | 0.0x | 0.0x | |||
Market Cap (in $M): | 5,700 | P/FCF | 0.0x | 0.0x | |||
Net Debt (in $M): | 5,200 | EBIT | 0 | 0 | |||
TEV (in $M): | 11,000 | TEV/EBIT | 0.0x | 0.0x |
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2014 |
2015 |
2016 |
2017 |
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EBITDA |
2,240 |
2,169 |
2,126 |
2,083 |
2,041 |
2,001 |
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Est FCF |
850 |
1,000 |
1,100 |
1,200 |
1,300 |
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Est Div |
(208) |
(208) |
(208) |
(208) |
(208) |
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Beginning Net Debt |
5,203 |
4,560 |
3,768 |
2,876 |
1,883 |
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FCF (less div) |
(642) |
(792) |
(892) |
(992) |
(1,092) |
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Ending Net Debt |
5,203 |
4,560 |
3,768 |
2,876 |
1,883 |
791 |
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Target EV / EBITDA |
5.2x |
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Implied Equity Value |
9,612 |
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Equity Value Per Share (ex div) |
$40 |
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Cum Dividends |
$4 |
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Equity Value (i/c div) |
$45 |
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Discounted |
8% |
$35 |
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2012 |
2013 |
2014 |
2015 |
2016 |
2017 |
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Cum FCF |
850 |
1,850 |
2,950 |
4,150 |
5,450 |
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Market Cap |
5,726 |
5,726 |
5,726 |
5,726 |
5,726 |
5,726 |
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Cum FCF as % of Mkt Cap |
14.8% |
32.3% |
51.5% |
72.5% |
95.2% |
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25 | |
congrats piggybanker - That was quite a situation.
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23 | |
Daily volume is not a good perspective in this case. The daily trading volume of 6 million shares implies that the company turns over ownership once every 40 days. I don’t think that is the timeframe or mindset of most owners of Safeway stock. If you believe what they say about high frequency traders then 70% of the daily volume is just the same few shares going back and forth between 2 computers in New Jersey. Even those computers are going to start to notice something when 1 out of every 20 shares traded doesn’t come back around. A better perspective is that the scope of this buy back is large enough to buy every share from the top 49 institutional holders of the stock. Maybe some will sell but they’ve held this stinker up until now so why not just go down with the ship. Anyway, that’s what makes a market. It looks good to me but high short interest scares me so I appreciate everyone’s input. I tend to get overly excited about buybacks to my own detriment sometimes. | |
22 | |
I don't see the big problem here with being short through the buyback. If they complete the buyback over a year then they need to buy $2bn over ~252 trading days or $7.9mm per day. At the current share price, that's 326k shs per day vs avg daily volume of 6.1 million shares or about 5% of the daily volume. What's wrong with this perspective? | |
21 | |
If that's all you were getting when you bought SWY stock then those estimates would be relevant (and very alarming!) to the thesis here.
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20 | |
Why do you think what's left of Safeway is a stable business? Here are UBS's estimates for Safeway's US business EBIT from FY08 through FY12 (ex-Blackhawk and Real Estate) -
FY08: $1,507 million
FY09: $934 million
FY10: $790 million
FY11: $633 million
FY12: $551 million
If you prefer US EBITDA, here are CSFB's numbers for Safeway's US EBITDA compared to Kroger's:
FY08: $2.6 billion (KR: $4.1 billion)
FY09: $1.9 billion (KR: $3.8 billion)
FY10: $1.8 billion (KR: $3.8 billion)
FY11: $1.69 billion (KR: 4 billion)
FY12: $1.6 billion (KR: 4.3 billion)
At the very least, these numbers beg the question of what Kroger has done differently (might be helpful to compare KR versus SWY's basket prices) and whether Safeway can stabilize its US business. | |
19 | |
On my 2nd point, sorry I made a discounting mistake (thus proving that pension accounting is tricky and should be thrown in "too difficult pile, move on to the next")...
Undiscounted obligations over next 10 years are $1.54 billion, and undiscounted obligations 10+ years out are $2 billion. So you'd need $1.38 billion earning 2% to meet obligations over next 10 years, and $771 million earning 10% to meet obligations 10+ years out... for a total of $2.1 billion (vs. $1.8 billion plan assets). Still 1/3 the number on the balance sheet.
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18 | |
Point #1: Walmart and Whole Foods are taking market share but SWY’s topline has been stable and their profit margins are solid. On a sales/share basis SWY is a turbocharged growth stock and Whole Foods is a shrinking turd. Regardless of that distraction, the original thesis here was about free cashflow and “how long can Safeway pay their dividend?” and the answer is now “a very, very long time.” My twist on the thesis is you’re going to have $2 billion new buyers of stock and it will be hard to find $2 billion in sellers given who is likely owning SWY stock (coupon clippers)… $1+ billion already short and the whole market cap is only $5.8 billion. Something has to give. Point #2: How much money would you set aside to meet $1.2 billion in obligations spread evenly over the next 10 years and then $1.4 billion in obligations that occur 10+ years out? I’d say put money for the obligations that are 10+ years out in the future into the stock market and hope for 10%. That works out to be $539 million. I’d put the money needed in the next 10 years in fixed income and hope for 2%... that works out to be $1.38 billion. Thus, a reasonable person could argue that $1.9 billion would work. As of the end of the year, Safeway had $1.8 billion set aside to meet their obligations. So, do they really have a pension problem? Most investors do indeed throw companies with large pension obligations into Warren Buffett’s “too difficult for me” pile because of earnings and cashflow distortions – caused by assumptions and smoothing affects about rates of return on plan assets. Investors who are really concerned with the true, long term situation and not just trying to predict earnings should focus on the relationship between the PBO and the pile of assets they have to satisfy that PBO… and to me Safeway looks good in that area. Point #3: I don’t know about the 3rd point about having underinvested in their stores. Seems like a weak thesis. Maybe they should short Berkshire Hathaway as I heard the same thing about them. | |
16 | |
for the record, not involved either way (grocers are way too crowded short but the shorts aren't dumb), but short case goes something like:
1) traditional grocers are losing share to WMT, TGT, discounters on low end and whole foods, wegman's, on high end.
2) large pension expense where the CFOs have played a lot of games with the accounting
3) underinvested in stores/pricing for years so FCF artificially high. need to reinvest in capex and lower pricing to compete, which will reduce NT FCF
just throwing it out there | |
15 | |
Are you guys really quibbling over ebitda multiples as if this was some sort of acquisition candidate?
Take a step back and ponder this:
A profitable, non-cyclical $5.8 billion company with no liquidity or solvency issues is about to get $4+ billion in cash. They promise to buy back $2 billion in stock after having already bought back 1/2 the stock outstanding in the last few years.
Who will they be buying those shares from? Most current owners of Safeway stock own it because it is a friggin grocery store and it pays 3.5% dividend. Those people aren't going to sell. The dividend is more secure now than it has been in ages and it is likely only going up. So, who's going to sell? You can't have $2 billion in buyers without $2 billion in sellers.
Meanwhile, you have all these clever short sellers who shop at whole foods and make the keen observation that traditional grocers are dead. Safeway's topline & margins look pretty stable for a dead business! Those clever short sellers have already sold over $1 billion of the market cap. Are they going to sell more to the company? They're likely the same clever individuals who are paying 2x sales for grocery stores like NGVC vs. (.1x sales for Safeway).
So I'm not exactly sure how you put all this together but you have a $5.8 billion pie and what looks to me like an upcoming supply & demand imbalance between the various buyers and sellers of the stock. | |
9 | |
What do you think its worth post the sale? What do you think the market it missing now? | |
8 | |
Congrats!
Too much cash and a dwindling number of shares to buy back! Not a bad problem to have... | |
7 | |
proceeds used to pay down $2B in debt and buy back stock.
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1 | |
How do you explain the difference in performance over the years between Kroger and Safeway? How do Safeway's price points compare to others in the industry, both in grocery and outside? Thanks. |
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