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1/03/18 11:56AM
Re: Re: three questions
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Fair enough but honestly most of what you said is well beyond my limited competence as I'm not a debt investor so I really can't push back on any of it except to say when... login to read the rest
Appreciate the response. I would push back against your assertion that the 1.5% fee makes the sector uninvestable, though. Good private credit managers can generate 5+ points of alpha on gross assets, so paying 300bps... login to read the rest
Hi Blaueskobalt,
I really have no interest in owning BDC's for the long term absent a distressed situation. The fee structure makes them extremely unattractive. You're not paying just a 1.5% management fee to middle market... login to read the rest
Majic, appreciate your thoughts on this situation. Is there a price at which you would be a buyer of OCSL? If so could you share your reasoning?
Also, do you think that OAK made a mistake... login to read the rest
Majic - You brought up a 6% number, and 6% also happens to be the hurdle rate before Oaktree begins to collect the incentive fee. I said that I viewed 6% as an acceptable yield... login to read the rest
Wait, what does this have to do with "Oaktree earning much more than 6% over full cycles?" This is not a distressed debt fund nor a private equity fund. This is mid market lending fund... login to read the rest
Majic -
Again, my writeup does not establish a price target using an 8% yield. Please read it and my other posts more carefully before saying that again. I appreciate that you're just trying to be... login to read the rest
Majic -
You have mischaracterized the price target in my writeup. My writeup focuses solely on the quality of the manager and on where the security should ultimately trade relative to NAV. I include dividend yield... login to read the rest
Majic -
I agree that many of the holders in the retail-oriented BDC space are naively yield focused, but I disagree that we should therefore be thinking like them. In my view, the most important questions... login to read the rest
Hi Kalman - I really don't have definitive answers to your questions but I'll give my two cents on each:
1. As you point out, the 14% is larger than I expected when I first wrote... login to read the rest
I agree that you said you didn't expect a 30% writedown. When I said you mentioned it, I didn't mean to imply that was your expectation and I apologize for any miscommunication. My point was... login to read the rest
Yes. I noticed that and I'm sure that's why the shares have traded the way they have in the past week. As I said in the writeup, I thought an NAV hit in the 10%... login to read the rest
Blaueskobalt - thank you for your perspective.
I'm not sure I agree with some of your assertions. On your first point, while it's true that FSC has experienced poor performance, lost talent and their sponsor... login to read the rest
I'm with creditguy. Four points:
the credits that are currently in the portfolio are likely worse than the average they have originated over their history. this is a natural consequence of their poor performance, hemorraging of... login to read the rest
It's possible but I can't see where your certainty comes from. Again, I would have thought that Oaktree could have gotten in there and diligenced this pretty well by now as it is a consensual... login to read the rest
I expect large markdowns in the next quarter's report. Fifth Street (and a number of the other low quality BDCs like Medley) are notorious for overmarking/mismarking positions. Oaktree is highly incentivized to take a big... login to read the rest
Hi Trev -
That is an important question and unfortunately I don't have enough information to do more than look at the shadows on the wall and make assumptions about what is happening. There is nothing... login to read the rest
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